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Jul 11·edited Jul 11Liked by jill elizabeth

There is nothing like a threat to personal safety to get one to shut down and keep quite. I've heard plenty of survival stories (we all have) about women who did just that in order to survive a rape or other type of physical attack by a man. I always find your content so interesting and spoken with such intelligence, however, it is my personal opinion that women collectively have heard enough stories through the annals of HIs -story (aka the recorded records of man, by man) that place us women at the center of everything that afflicts man, whether it be the Adam and Eve story, the Pandora's box story, or many other countless stories that paint women as evil seductresses that lure men into dashing their ships into the rocks at sea, etc.

If they were only stories meant to entertain, but , as we all know, women are still forced to cover themselves up from head to toe in triple digit weather so that man is not "tempted" by the "alluring" beauty of the temptress who will bring men into sin. How many women have even died for not covering properly, which most recently led to an uprising in Iran?

While there are certainly many things that cannot be proven, it's more about what people believe than what can actually be proven. The concept of God cannot be proven and yet people die and kill for whatever God they believe in and have been doing so throughout recorded history. Story is tremendously powerful, as are symbols, like a national flag for instance. And humans are great story tellers. I think it is important to be able to track the origins of a story and then look at the results of what that story has had on this planet and on human and all life.

You said something in response to my input to your last podcast with your comment about the pain of the cost of caring and that you hoped I could find a way to care without the cost of the pain it is causing. It was a kind response but missed the point, as we as women (and men) are all in pain. It's what I call a "historical wound" . I think most people aren't aware of how much humans have been wounded, not only by violence and struggles to survive, but by the stories people have told and continue to tell. It the stories we believe that creates all of the division between races, between rich and poor, between genders and even between humans and animals and all that exists on the earth. If we could just tell stories without them influencing us to the point of what I call "a mind virus" we wouldn't defend our stories to the death, and I mean that literally.

What I try to do, and was trying to do in my responses to your last podcast, was to focus on a particular story. I chose marriage, the story of which most people believe has something to do with "holiness" and the joining together of a man and a woman through the power of a god, which is yet another story. I compared that story to a biologically based story about how marriage came to be through agriculture and the knowledge gained from that.

As children we believe in some form of Santa Claus. As adults we learn that Santa Claus is a lie told to us by adults, often to encourage us to behave so we can get goodies from Santa. The grown up and widely accepted version is be good and a God will reward you in the here-after and if you aren't good you will burn in hell for all eternity and God's soldiers might even send you to that here-after before your natural time comes. That's not the story I believe but I think a majority of people on earth do believe in that story and it explains a lot of what's happened and continues to happen to this day. Unless of course, along with that same story you blame it on that other invisible character, called Satan, or the Devil, or whatever other name humans attribute to him.

So, I think we have to choose wisely about what stories we tell, and think wisely about what stories we want to continue to perpetuate. If children don't eventually learn that Santa is a made up story, they will never grow up. And if we continue to believe tales about invisible beings who are more important than anyone on this planet, and continue to live in accordance with what these invisible beings have said (according to people who have been dead for thousands of years) then we remain like those children.

It has been said, if it quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I say if a story sounds improbable, like women blowing a hole in the universe with their minds thereby creating a desert, it's probably just a made up story. Though I do see meaning to be gained from it, as long as it's not taken and interpreted as a real life possible event, unlike the story of marriage arising out of agricultural practices.

What's important is wisdom to be able to discern and sort that which is possible and probable from that which is highly unlikely. And it's not about fixing the world or anything, but challenging and attempting to correct the thinking (the mind virus) that has made us live in sick states of being, leading to what this world has become. It could be a paradise if humans were healthy in mind. Instead it's becoming apocalyptic which is exactly what many people want and are looking forward to because it supports their "story" about the return of an invisible man who will come to save us and give us the paradise we have destroyed with our thinking. I just can't help seeing the irony in that.

It's not about my pain. It's about the pain we all live with. I admire you for what you bring into focus to get us to think about things deeply and/or differently. That's really all I'm trying to do as well.

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Thank you for writing all of that, phone typing limits me☹️

I can see we have some fundamental differences, so I appreciate you hanging in and contributing.

No one knows everything and as long as we move forward somehow? All any of us can hope for. Or I'm wrong and oh well🥴

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Jul 11·edited Jul 11Liked by jill elizabeth

I've been following your podcasts and videos for a long time now and most of what you say resonates with me 100%, so I personally don't see any fundamental differences between us. You may not agree with some part or any of what I've said in my comments here, but from my view point, I still agree with you on most things. I hope it doesn't appear that I am here to oppose anything you've talked about. My intent has been to add to it and to let you and others know how interested I am on these topics that talk to and are concerned with us women. I will keep on listening since I so enjoy your podcasts, but will pare back my comments, because, as you say, no one knows everything. I will listen but speak less.

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You should write what you want to write ✍️. That's the point of sharing.

My capacity to participate in the comments is the phone, focus on what's going on in my day, and frustration with both🤬

I don't know how to do this with the limitations I have put on myself 🤬☹️😞

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I think you'll like this Youtube video on women uniting to take action. It's very inspiring. https://youtu.be/TxJMGz-V-PY?si=myKvjcxt34azSUxC

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